Friday, April 10, 2009

Rove: Biden Lies!


From Fox News:
Republican strategist Karl Rove called Vice President Biden a "liar" on Thursday
, dramatically escalating a feud between Biden and aides to former President George W. Bush over Biden's claims to have rebuked Bush in private meetings. "I hate to say this, but he's a serial exaggerator," Rove told FOX News. "If I was being unkind I would say liar. But it is a habit he ought to drop."Rove added: "You should not exaggerate and lie like this when you are the Vice President of the United States." Biden's office did not immediately respond to a request for comment, although Biden spokesman Jay Carney told Fox on Wednesday: "The vice president stands by his remarks." Carney was referring to two controversial assertions by Biden, the latest coming Tuesday during an interview on CNN. "I remember President Bush saying to me one time in the Oval Office," Biden began, "'Well, Joe,' he said, 'I'm a leader.' And I said: 'Mr. President, turn and around look behind you. No one is following.'" The exchange is purely "fictional," said Rove, who was Bush's top political adviser in the White House.
"It didn't happen," Rove, a FOX News contributor and former Bush adviser, told Megyn Kelly in an interview taped for "On The Record."
"It's his imagination; it's a made-up, fictional world." He ought to get out of it and get back to reality," Rove added. "He's making this up out of whole cloth." Rove's skepticism was echoed by a variety of other Bush aides, including former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer, chief of staff Andy Card and legislative liaison Candida Wolff. They also disputed a similar assertion made by Biden in2004, when the former senator from Delaware told scores of Democratic colleagues at a lunch that he had challenged Bush's moral certitude about the Iraq war during a private meeting in the Oval Office. Two years later, Biden repeated his story about dressing down the president. "When I speak to the president - and I have had plenty of opportunity to be with the president, at least prior to the last election, a lot of hours alone with him. I mean, meaning me and his staff," Biden said on HBO's "Real Time with Bill Maher" in April2006. "And the president will say things to me, and I'll literally turn to the president, say: 'Mr. President, how can you say that, knowing you don't know the facts?' And he'll look at me and he'll say - my word - he'll look at me and he'll say: 'My instincts.' He said: 'I have good instincts.' I said: 'Mr. President, your instincts aren't good enough.'" On Thursday, Rove ridiculed the claim that Biden spent "a lot of hours alone with" Bush. 'Joe Biden was never alone with the president for more than few moments," Rove said. "There was staff in the room the whole time." Rove was equally appalled by Biden's claims of having given Bush his comeuppance. "If you notice, all of these incidents have the same structure: Joe Biden courageously raises the impudent question; the president befuddles the answer; and Joe Biden drives home the dramatic response." Rove scoffed at Biden's claims that "he and the president were sitting there in the Oval Office, he was tutoring the president, he was asking him the critical questions that no one was willing to confront him with." "With all due respect to the vice president, these are the kind of things you can get away with if you are a United States Senator, or a backbencher in the U.S. House of Representatives," Rove said. "You should not exaggerate and lie like this when you are the Vice President of the United States." Carney declined to specify the dates of his boss's purported Oval Office scoldings of Bush. Nor would he provide witnesses or notes to corroborate the episodes.
Joe Biden is just a beat-up, old, liberal windbag who likes to hear himself talk.
He's a desperate runner-up with delusions of grandeur.
And he's an embarrassment to the President, to the Democrat Party and - most of all - to our nation.

Yo, Joe: Shut-up!

9 comments:

Sean Schafer said...

What does he get out of telling this story? Even if true, the election is over. Is it just self-gratification??? Why do I still feel like we're in election mode in this country?

Anonymous said...

Is anyone surprised by this? The degree of exaggeration(lying), from all news reports, indicates that the amount of "Biden distortion" is directly proportional to the amount of liquor ingested.

Radu Gherman said...

I suspect that you're right. Biden's been on the back burner ever since Obama realized that he's a liability. I think he is getting antsy.
We should send him to Moldova.
And yes, we are very much in election mode still. These next few months are going to be dominated by the fight for image between our two great parties. Election posturing is never over.

Dan Cirucci said...

Biden has become a lightening rod in the sam way that Sarah Palin is a lightening rod. Both arouse the opposite poles.
Difference is Biden is Vice President of the United States.
I suspect that Obama doesn't mind having Biden as the lightening rod. Biden can get the negative attention while Obama basks in the glow.
Vice Presidents have often fulfilled this role, regardless of Party. FDR had Henry Wallace, Ike had Nixon, JFK had Johnson, Nixon had Agnew, Bush I had Quayle.
All of the aforementioned Veeps acted like buffoons at one time or another.
I suppose it's an American tradition.
But Biden really IS an embarrassment.

Sean Schafer said...

Is election mode right? And is this the norm? I don't really remember back in 2000.

Dan Cirucci said...

Well, we've sorta come to the point where political junkies are always in election mode; or so it seems.
And the junkies can be quite vocal.
It's all fed by the 24-hour cable news channels, web sites, blogs and talk radio.
These are all relatively new communications vehicles and they cater to a huge, diverse audience with strategic programming.
All of this political stuff is one of the reasons why I try to keep this blog focused on more than just politics.
So, we comment on music, art, lifestyles, fashion, theater. movies, celebrity, Hollywood, dining, shopping, travel, religion, the urban vibe and even sports.
But, politics plays a big role in life and winds up touching just about eveything.
So, it's really unavoidable.
And, whether we like it or not, the 2010 and 2012 elections are taking shape right now.

Radu Gherman said...

Well, I just had the distinct pleasure of seeing the new Specter ad. I forgot how much I detest these 30 second distortions of reality. And to be fair, I hate them from both sides.
Looks like I'm going to be reading newspapers instead of watching TV for a while.

Sean Schafer said...

At what point does it all become so banal that we really don't recognize it? Will that point come?

Dan Cirucci said...

I think that point actually has arrived for most people.
They simply block it all out.
That's one of the downsides of the information overload.
Candidates become like bars of soap sold on TV or wherever and many people feel that the two parties are sorta like Coke and Pepsi.
Their attitude: "It's all the same. They're all crooks."
To many people it's all just one big blur.
Ain't it a shame?